Climate Issues by Rich Seager


I'd probably say that these origins lie with Plato. The Classical and Archaic Greeks were supposedly pretty patriarchal as well, generally you probably find more men on red or black figure vases, with an emphasis on the all male symposium (boys and men). But there were female gods in this culture such as Artemis, Athena, Hera and of course Aphrodite. And Andromache seemed to have quite an equal role with her husband in the Iliad even if she was Trojan rather than Greek. We also should not forget the sirens (or furies), or the Gorgons. There's some clues in ancient languages as well, with feminine endings adding to some confusion on the supposedly patriarchal Athenian society and belying an exclusively male history. And of course we have the legend of Amazon too long before there was a brutal male capitalist by the name of Jeff Bezos. But Plato suggested making women the bad character in religion that up until then had been very inclusive of goddesses. So I blame him (I like blaming Plato). That's my bite of that particular apple.

Detail of Artemis, Athena and the Moirae (Fates) from a painting depicting the procession of gods attending the wedding of Peleus and Thetis.

Athena was also very fond of her snakes, but she was a late convert. Earlier goddesses with snakes date to maybe 1700 BCE from memory, in Greece anyway*. They may have been a little older than that in Egypt or Mesopotamia. But we can only conjecture about 50k years ago, before agriculture, with Neanderthals still around and only just out of Africa for most of us. Well before the two civilisations just mentioned, the oldest ones on this planet. Both these civilisations date to as far back as 5,000 years BCE according to some but more likely they date somewhere between 2,500 and 4,000 years BCE with the majority of historians probably settling on between 3,000 and 4,000 BCE. But dating 'the Patriarchy' to before civilisation, whether 6,000 years old or 4,000 years old is nevertheless a bit of a stretch.

It could also be noted that civilisation does not seem to have done much for our brain size as they are smaller now than they were 10,000 years ago. Sometimes I get the suspicion that there is a correlation there between intellect and the loss of a few hundred ccs of brain matter. Self awareness is obviously still there, but agency maybe not.

So maybe some overreach going on below (Figure 3) as Lynn seems to be on to. I might have some more thoughts at some stage on this one.

00:00 hrs 4th August update: looks like the 50,000 has been changed to 5,000.

Figure 3: Renee, Charlie & Lynn

* Other small statues from this time indicate an emphasis on fertility and the feminine form.

#feminism #plato #religion #reneegerlich #charliemontague #sunilwilliams

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One of my side interests is Classics. I’ve also studied religion and being an atheist this means that you study its origins as man-made. These two disciplines are not unrelated and if you wish to you can see the origins of one from the other. I’ve also studied Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls. What I learned is that if you’re going to raise a story that is ideological (one male god) in a way that is at odds with the prevailing understanding of the world at the time (many gods both female and male) is that you need to remove the young from the ‘bad’ influence of the older generations.

I see parallels with recent attempts to raise the young as the saviors of the world in these CO2 challenged times.

So it’s good to see some kickback from the younger generation at this (poorly thought out) idea as well;

“We can’t rely on just young people to save us (Dominion Post)”

This is everyone’s fight. I might also add that even as an atheist I can see that having gods both female and male who are also connected to the elements of our existence sounds like a much better moral outline for living within our world rather than on it. And anyway the patriarchal god is dying;

And his chariot is proving no longer up (ha) to the job;

Bye Zeus.

#politics #religion #classics

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